tariikz wrote:I am also struggling against thawk.
it might be just that im quite slow but i cant punish his condor spire even though its like -6 or -7 on block. its kinda hard to keep him out, sometimes when i try to antiair him with the hk fireball he can simply EX condor dive on reaction and i get hit, he scored a knockdown and i can consider myself dead. and sometimes he jumps over the hk fireball (i don't even know how he's doing that) the matchup is actually 7-3 in juris favor so i guess i am not aware of some mighty juri tech yet or the matchup is actually just bullshit. it never really feels that the matchup is in my favor since he can react on everything i do most of the time.
I personally suck when going against T-Hawk. I constantly use lk fireballs even though his condor spire goes over it and get tagged or lose positioning. And I never seemingly watch his meter and consequently get hit by ex dive a lot more than I should. His ex dive is safe on hit and sometimes (i'm not sure how but it will Hit on block and he recovers right next to charcters which is a huge surprise factor and I'm not sure if there is recovery but I nearly always get grabbed right after.
Where as I feel Juri can control Gief and bait out Ex green hand (which I feel is the biggest threat of the matchup). I feel I have to be more wary when facing Hawk. Hawk's normals (imo) are better than Gief's and Hawk can compete with most of Juri's normals. His cr.forward has beaten my cr.forward a lot of times and he can use condor spire to go over it and it hits.
I feel like a Hawk can easily beat Juri through patience. He has the health to take risks just like Gief. He can stay back and whiff his command grab in between Juri's stores and releases to gain meter for ex dive and ex spire. I feel guessing between two moves that are both fireball invincible is huge threat to Juri and gives Hawk a slight advantage against Juri. Spire is also a really good anti air and I've seen it trade with her dive kick and beat more air normals than I wish. Far forward and maybe far strong seem to be Juri's best normal(s) against Hawk imo.
But Juri could easily close out the match against Hawk. She can safe jump him easily and get a nice high/low mixup to force him to guess (fuzzy) besides ultra and ex spd but meaty close mk beats almost all wake up options outside his ex tomahawk (this was tested in AE not sure what his buffs were for 2012).
Hope this helps dude.