What Playstation All Stars means to Smash and Nintendo

[Ex Ein]

Okay so I've read many comment sections, looked at all the videos and listen to people who've gone hands on with the game(IGN game scoop) in it's current state...What I take away from all this is, Nintendo finally has noticeable competition worthy of it's attention.

What this game is from all accounts, is on the surface a Kills/K.O. based fighter with environmental hazards and more based on heavy Meter Management with a bit of Spacing so far and not damage % & "Spikes". This game is all about diversity using the nearly 20 year history Playstation to create something different from Smash in terms of character play styles. There are already notable examples of such are from reports Radec is very limited in close range, The Princess uses her subjects in a very Caption Commando/Olimar like way, Sly doesn't have a block only a cloaking ability and Kratos has some combos from his game(as in you can input a combo as you remember it and you'll possibly get him to do it). Also it's game steeped in creating a true cross over of the Sony universe(Levels of Patapon in the GOW's Hades fighting the god, A LBP level that turns into a BUZZ quiz show). And this is just from their announcement stuff, they probably got a nice package of reveals for E3 to EVO(Where they may have an hands-on during the event SINCE ED MA is on deck with deving PS All Stars) to Lipzeg and to TGS all leading up till launch which is happening in the fall from reports.

Unlike Ultimate All Stars or any other Cross over in the vain of a Smash like game(which smash wasn't the first just the most popular), this is ALL Sony(not just a licenced character or two in) going after Nintendo's pie with character a lot of people know world wide just like the Nintendo stable. Nintendo now has to recognize there's a Knight on the board that was before(sorry to say to fans of these other franchises) all Rooks and Pawns. The King has to move or Risk getting put in check mate and what I mean by the King having to move is that Nintendo has to get moving and prove that it's no falling behind in it's approach. Because, many people who walk away from All Stars after A HANDS ON say it's on par with the Smash series' mechanics and at this moment is at the level of quality of a Smash title just lacking the characters and maps(from A NON FGC standpoint, just a fun, good quality, average gamer standpoint). WHICH IS A GREAT THING, as competitiveness breeds innovation and unlike previous Nintendo games who had rivals like this that died off, they died off due to Lack of Quality and no previous fan base, Sony's franchises that they're putting in this game have that PS3 owning fanbase already so this won't simply fade away into obscurity.

[Ranshi]

I really don't see them competing against Nintendo, they might get a few people who like the smash style gameplay, but Sony just doesn't have a cast of characters that can compete with Nintendo's.

Most of Nintendo's characters are still relevant in today's market, Sony's aren't.

[Ex Ein]

I really don't see them competing against Nintendo, they might get a few people who like the smash style gameplay, but Sony just doesn't have a cast of characters that can compete with Nintendo's.

Most of Nintendo's characters are still relevant in today's market, Sony's aren't.

Because I forgot about that Record breaking Ice Climbers game, and I loved playing Mother 3 and Kid Icarus on my wii all those years ago, and I sure as hell loved those Solo DK games that were coming out....WAIT until 2011 there hadn't been a DK solo game in years before DKCR, Ice climbers hasn't had a game SINCE the original, Mother 3 is only out in japan ON GBA and Kid Icarus JUST CAME OUT 3 years after Brawl's Release.

Compared to:
-Sly who's got a game coming out, was in a game last year(Playstation move heroes) had 3 titles on the PS2 and HD collection of those titles and has a cameo in Infamous 1.

-Fat Princess who the first release 2009, had a PSP port in 2010 and has had many updates to the game (which is fully online so the community is still on going).

-Kratos who's got 5(6 if you include Betrayal for pre-iphone phones) games (with HD re-release of 4 of them) under his belt in his own series in the past 10 years has a few guest appearances such as SC: Broken Destiny and MK9(a 2011 title) and just got a new title announced LAST WEEK.

-Radec, who while the man himself only appeared in one game, his race the Helghast are the face of Sony Shooter series Killzone which has games that came out in 2004(original) 2006(Liberation for the PSP) 2009(KZ2) and 2011(KZ3) as well as a Vita title coming soon not to mention the recently released Killzone 3 MP, where for 15 dollars you can buy and download full access to the mutliplayer portion of killzone 3.

-Sweet Tooth, who's THE character anyone remembers when you bring up Playstation and Car Combat, who just had a game come out in the opening months of this year with the Reboot of Twisted Metal, not to mention the previous twisted metal games(1 in 95,2 in 96,3 in 98,4 in 99, Black in 2001, Small brawl in 2001, Online in 2002, Head on in 2005. and the 3 cancelled one)

-The only odd man out is Parappa the rapper who's universe hasn't had a new game come out since Parappa 2 in 2001(but did get a PSP port of 1 in 2006 and Umjammer, the girl rocker verison of Parappa, which got a PSone classics release in 2008 JP/2009 in NA)

So you were saying about relevance? Because beside characters from the SAME franchises that Nintendo cranks out every 2 or 3 years(Mario, Pokemon, Zelda) in Smash there aren't many with relevance to the modern causal gamer.

[Ranshi]

Because I forgot about that Record breaking Ice Climbers game, and I loved playing Mother 3 and Kid Icarus on my wii all those years ago, and I sure as hell loved those Solo DK games that were coming out....WAIT until 2011 there hadn't been a DK solo game in years before DKCR, Ice climbers hasn't had a game SINCE the original, Mother 3 is only out in japan ON GBA and Kid Icarus JUST CAME OUT 3 years after Brawl's Release.

Those are pretty much a minority, but they all have a pretty big following, except for the ice climbers.

I guess I was wrong about the relevance thing, but if you're going to talk about the modern casual gamer, then this game is just as irrelevant as Brawl to them, unless there are some angry birds thrown into the mix.

I just don't see people going crazy about this game's roster, it's just not appealing, it's just like "yay Kratos and Sly".

[Ex Ein]

Those are pretty much a minority, but they all have a pretty big following, except for the ice climbers.

I guess I was wrong about the relevance thing, but if you're going to talk about the modern casual gamer, then this game is just as irrelevant as Brawl to them, unless there are some angry birds thrown into the mix.

I just don't see people going crazy about this game's roster, it's just not appealing, it's just like "yay Kratos and Sly".

I disagree on the big thing or else half of the things I said in my quote wouldn't have taken as long (or wouldn't be so true). The thing is, I know the second a PS3 shooter fan sees Radec, they'll flock to him as the Helghast are a huge part of the PS3 community. Same with some of the god of war players and Kratos, the kids who grew up with sly, the Sweet tooth and Parappa crowd will draw themselves as they're the guys who've been with Sony since day 1 of PS1. The Fat princess is the one i'm going to see problems with much like the parappa recognizable thing.

Now with that all said, these are just the first revealed 6, now if these will be the main six are unknown(I know Sweet tooth, Kratos and Sly are totally gonna be the guys you see in the advertisements for this) the next batch can be anyone from Sony history from Dart from Legend of Dragoon to Mao from Diseaga. Then there'sCharacters from Folklore, Characters in Demon's Souls, creatures from eye of judgement, Genji series characters. There's SO MANY things that Sony can draw from that are exclusive and they're thinking of getting third party characters (so it might not even be limited to exclusive 3rd party titles, it might be like Snake and Sonic in Brawl.)

[x Who Is Alpha]

Sony characters are memorable?

I owned a PS1 and a PS2 and.. I just don't see me buying this.. and don't tell me I need a PS3 for relevance cause I can only own a Nes to still be up to date with the memorable roster of Smash.

Not that I take that game seriously anyway.. tis fun when friends come over to dick around though.

[Ex Ein]

Sony characters are memorable?

I owned a PS1 and a PS2 and.. I just don't see me buying this.. and don't tell me I need a PS3 for relevance cause I can only own a Nes to still be up to date with the memorable roster of Smash.

Not that I take that game seriously anyway.. tis fun when friends come over to dick around though.

My favorite game ever is a PS1 game, the character hasn't had a game in a good 6 years but I'll always reference that PS1 game as my favorite game, just because you don't remember them doesn't the general population (which you got to remember simply being a member of event hubs EXCLUDES you from in many way)

[Sulfur]

Just give me some uncharted and demons souls characters and ill be a happy camper, twisted metal and tekken would be awesome as well.

(still hoping Jin makes it in)

[Ex Ein]

Just give me some uncharted and demons souls characters and ill be a happy camper, twisted metal and tekken would be awesome as well.

(still hoping Jin makes it in)

The thing is which demon souls characters? it's obiviously gonna be hard to do the lead

[Sulfur]

Just give me some uncharted and demons souls characters and ill be a happy camper, twisted metal and tekken would be awesome as well.

(still hoping Jin makes it in)

The thing is which demon souls characters? it's obiviously gonna be hard to do the lead

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also, we need this guy:

On like, the MIDDLE of the cover.